A good God will kill for eternity people like Albert Schweitzer, a man born in a rich family, very smart, talented, with fame and money in his future, but instead of capitalizing on his great gifts to get all the fame and money he wanted, he founds a hospital and works as a doctor in a poor village in Africa. But that same God will save a JW for simply baptizing and swearing allegiance to the Governing Body. Where is the common sense in the mind of JW's?
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All these people will be destroy unless they become JWs (Watchtower teaching)
by hardtobeme inno matter what they do, they will be destroyed forever!!!!
i can't believe i used to believe that s**t!!!!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx28dw9devu.
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Hey There, so...what have I missed in the last couple of years?
by PSacramento inhi everyone,.
so...what have i missed in the last couple of years?.
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"Masters in Theological studies" Congratulations.
The biggest event for me has been the departure of Leolaia. I hope you can fill her shoes.
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Telephone Conversations Today with 2 Elders Re: Shunning - Or Not?
by abbasgreta inmy alcoholic and aged jw mother is now extremely ill and is being cared for in every respect by my non-jw brother.
3 sisters visited him yesterday and were adamant.
that i (disassociated and shunned by her for nearly 3 years) was able to 'visit her any time' and that ' there was nothing to stop me seeing her' as long as i. didn't discuss spiritual things with her.
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Visit your mom and use the opportunity to tell her what you think of the WT, her decision to follow the WT orders regarding shunning you, and how unscriptural their position is. She is going to have to take it, at least until you get kicked out of the house. I know these actions are vindictive. Perhaps you should ignore my advice, but quite franky vengeance in this case is so appealing.
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A new member
by LP97 ini'm a 17 year old from scotland.
can i just say this site is absolutely brilliant.
finally found people with open minds and free thought that doesn't just consist of "well the wt told me this so it must be right".. my story is that i'm just like any other child of a jw...brought up into a life of indoctrination where "the world's" thinking is automatically wrong.. that is until i was 14 - a light turned on in my head.
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Welcome,
Great to hear from young people like you leaving the WT. The world needs your talent to be put to good use. Let the old and hopelessly gullible find refuge in a fantasy. The rest of us have science, technology and real world challenges to deal with, while the religious leeches take a free ride. They condemn us, but promptly take advantage of the rights, protections and benefits of the worldly system. Hypocrites!!
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HOW CAN WOMEN BE ANNOINTED BUT NO PRIVELAGES IN HALL?
by NoMoreHustle ini had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?
but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.
that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.
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disposable hero,
you have a pm
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Scripture supports the decrease in growth rate and the dumbing down of WT message
by never a jw ini couldn't stay away from jwn, nor could i stay away from my favorite elder.. my email to my favorite elder:.
since the wt org.
is tightening its grip on the membership at the same time it is running the organization like a business (flipping real estate, downsizing and promoting a brand name, an idol and a flag such as jw.org), i feel that membership numbers are going to be affected; my bet is downward.
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The 20 years refers to the last statement regarding the prophecy of 2034, which I left out:
"Whatever happens next, I am quite confident that our now disparate beliefs will move closer within our lifetimes. Just stay alive for another 20 years.... Funny, I just remembered that in 20 years from now, the fourth JW's end-of-the-world prophecy will be fulfilled (Wt. Dec.15, 2003, p.15, par. 6-7). See attached scanned copy. The math is as follows 1914 + 120 = 2034 (when the "deluge of waters" will ruin all flesh under the heavens)"
Tigersuit, 4th generation, lost generation,
Don't give up. All of you were JW's at some point, but something trigger your awakening. This elder is smart, well educated and even a well known and respected elder in the entire Hispanic district (oops I forgot there's no districts anymore, or is there?), but certainly a tough "nut" to crack. I have fun reading his responses, but also they provide awakening value for my children.
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Scripture supports the decrease in growth rate and the dumbing down of WT message
by never a jw ini couldn't stay away from jwn, nor could i stay away from my favorite elder.. my email to my favorite elder:.
since the wt org.
is tightening its grip on the membership at the same time it is running the organization like a business (flipping real estate, downsizing and promoting a brand name, an idol and a flag such as jw.org), i feel that membership numbers are going to be affected; my bet is downward.
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I couldn't stay away from JWN, nor could I stay away from my favorite elder.
My email to my favorite elder:
Since the WT Org. is tightening its grip on the membership at the same time it is running the organization like a business (flipping real estate, downsizing and promoting a brand name, an idol and a flag such as JW.ORG), I feel that membership numbers are going to be affected; my bet is downward."By the way, compare the annual growth before the widespread of the internet, say 80's and early 90's, and the growth in 2013; quite a change. This is possibly why the WT is moving away from previous anti-internet admonishments, and heavily promoting JW.ORG at the expense of traditional JW proselytizing."
I guess, the field service training is going to be simplified even more; you will be taught only how to deliver a tract promoting JW.ORG. No longer will there be a need to learn doctrine, prophecy or Bible interpretation. The "mentally diseased" may be right when they observe that the JW's publications and meetings had been dumbed down in recent decades. In fact, I think there's sound evidence supporting this claim. Take a look at how the 1914 doctrine/prophecy is explained in the WT to the public of October and November of 2014. Compare this article to the "mentally diseased" book "The Gentile Times Reconsidered". It's the difference between night and day in every respect.
His response:
There are other explanations to the observations you have made.
Regarding decreased membership, it is to be expected. 1 Timothy 3 describes the World's people in the last days as "boastful, haughty ... not open to any agreement... headstrong, puffed up with pride". Therefore, it doesn't surprise us that our message is becoming more and more unpopular.
Second, regarding the information becoming less intellectual, this also follows the spirit of the Scriptures. At Matthew 11:25 , 26 Jesus said: "I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved." What you consider simplifying in order to control, I consider an honest effort to reach persons of all nations, many of whom need to have things broken down to more basic concepts.
Perhaps in 20 years we will be more in agreement. At the very least we can say that in another 50 years we will have no disagreements at all.How would you respond???
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HOW CAN WOMEN BE ANNOINTED BUT NO PRIVELAGES IN HALL?
by NoMoreHustle ini had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?
but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.
that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.
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Bible Questions and Answers Golden Age 1930, April 2. Page 446
QUESTION: Will husband and wife live together after the resurrection is completed, if both are in harmony with God?
Answer: The Scriptures do not reveal what the relationship of men and women will be after
the resurrection is completed. The most that we know is that there will be no children born
during the last 100 years of the Millennium (Isa. 65: 20), nor any born after that, because
men and women do not have children after they reach the age of 100 years. Whether the identity
of the sexes, as such, will be preserved, we do not know. There have been some well authenticated
instances in which women have been transformed into men, and it is possible that this transformation may become general and we shall all be brothers together .
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Corpus Linguistics - Text Analysis of All Watchtower Publications since 1800's
by objectivetruth ini've been working on a side project for a while.
the goal of the project is to create a comprehensive database of all publications throughout history.
with this database i will be able to instantly find trends in text,sentiment of writing, methods used, and scriptures emphasized.. essentially i will be able to put a word like "apostate" into my tool, and instantly receive a report showing every time the word (or similar words) has been used in all publications since 1870.. i will also be able to create reports showing word density used in publications over time.. so i'll be able to see that the word "governing body" has increased in usage 25% year over year since 1975.. or i will be able to analyze the november 2014 wt and run an algorithm that helps to determine, what the tone and motive of the writing is.. the thing that i am most excited about is the ability to instantly find every occurence of a scripture in every publication.. this will be a great tool to find flip flops in doctrine as well as inaccuracies in biblical interpretation.. i will for sure publish all interesting findings here.. .
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JWFacts
Between 1904 and 1917 (first and last year 1915 is mentioned respectively) 1915 appears 53 times and 1914 appears 174 times in the watchtower magazine. I did this research more than 2 years ago. I am pretty sure these totals include only relevant data to our study of prophecy of the end of the gentile times. It is precisely in the WT of Oct of 1917 when the writer says that Abraham did not take his inheritance in 1915, but he will take it in 1925. That must have been the end of Russell's end-of-world prophecy and the beginning of Rutherford's.
Hey Paul,
PS: I promise you will have your translation of this generation soon. I just needed a Spanish WT library. I have it know, rather old but not too old.
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Corpus Linguistics - Text Analysis of All Watchtower Publications since 1800's
by objectivetruth ini've been working on a side project for a while.
the goal of the project is to create a comprehensive database of all publications throughout history.
with this database i will be able to instantly find trends in text,sentiment of writing, methods used, and scriptures emphasized.. essentially i will be able to put a word like "apostate" into my tool, and instantly receive a report showing every time the word (or similar words) has been used in all publications since 1870.. i will also be able to create reports showing word density used in publications over time.. so i'll be able to see that the word "governing body" has increased in usage 25% year over year since 1975.. or i will be able to analyze the november 2014 wt and run an algorithm that helps to determine, what the tone and motive of the writing is.. the thing that i am most excited about is the ability to instantly find every occurence of a scripture in every publication.. this will be a great tool to find flip flops in doctrine as well as inaccuracies in biblical interpretation.. i will for sure publish all interesting findings here.. .
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Great job! Looking forward to the final result!
Check the number of times the words, as a group, obey/bedience/obedient/obediently/disobey/disobedience appear in the watchtower magazine (study edition) for the last few decades. I grouped the years in decades (80's, 90's, etc) and noticed that the trend since the 80's is upwards, especially in the last few years. One reason could be that they split the watchtower in two parts, the cultic and the public version. Therefore, those words were moved heavily to the cultic side. I feel that there's more to it though. My results just for 2012, 2013 and 2014 are 77,85 and 88 respectively (not including December 2014). Previous years were markedly lower.